Good evening,
I’m wondering if the distance from earth to planets, moon, and sun factored into your research for the Tychos? I apologize if this was addressed and I passed over it. I’m curious your opinion or analysis of “official astronomy’s” distances from earth to moon and other planets? Are these numbers contentious or settled? Does the officialdom consider these numbers settled? Was this critical only when considering the sun and other stars?
I got your first edition, and am currently reading the second edition and am satisfied to find more weird problems in the current paradigm and how they are resolved. I haven’t found good explanations for the stellar parallax issue, nor the speed of earth’s rotation around its axis and orbit, until finding the Tychos. Breaking the sound barrier, centrifugal force, etc., don’t add up. The problem of “falling off the earth” never made sense because the earth is very large, and there isn’t an up or down in space except relative to earth. At such fast speeds, wouldn’t we be “glued” down to earth via centripetal force?
Also curious of your take on Olbers’ paradox? Would the designation as “paradox” simply be debunked in a “stable” Tychos model? I’d love to see a third edition that addresses other problems. From what I have read as a lay-person with no background in astronomy or physics, I am shocked by seeing alternate ideas demonstrated or corroborated with data. I really felt a need to do more digging when I heard about a probe being sent to the sun and taking real video! lol
Also, if it hasn’t already been suggested, it would be great to have better visibility of the trace patterns when zoomed out in the Tychosium.
Greetings! Then you’ll be happy to know that I, Patrik, am hard at work with a new improved version of the Tychosium which will among other improvements feature better trace lines.
As for the distance and size of the Sun and planets there may be substance to the argument that they are not correct but I’ll leave that to Simon.
As for Earth rotation there seems to be some that argue that wouldn’t the seas fall off due to centrifugal force if we were spinning with a relative speed to space of about 1000 kph? Well the actual rotational speed of Earth is in fact very low. Only one rotation per 24 hours and we have gravity. Imagine rotating a wet tennis ball very slowly. The water will not come off due to centrifugal force.
As for Olbers paradox I’d say tired light could explain this besides all the observed redshift. The Universe does have an infinite number of stars but we cannot see that because most of the light will never reach us.
In reply to your question regarding planetary / stellar distances, allow me to just copy-paste the below extract from Chapter 4 of my upcoming TYCHOS book (2nd Edition):
DISTANCES TO OUR SOLAR SYSTEM’S BODIES versus DISTANCES TO THE STARS
Let it be clear that the TYCHOS has rigorously respected the currently-accepted distances - as measured by Copernican / Keplerian astronomers - between the bodies comprised in our own solar system. This, because they have (correctly) been using as a baseline for their measurements the diameter of Earth of 12756km (a well-established measurement). However, their determination of the Earth->stars distances is an entirely different matter. This, because they have (incorrectly) used as a baseline the supposed diameter of Earth’s alleged orbit around the Sun - of ca. 300 million kilometers. Since they are using as a baseline this non-existent “300 Mkm lateral six-month-displacement of Earth”, all of their calculations of Earth-to-stars distances are sistematically flawed (i.e. grossly inflated). In the TYCHOS model, Earth only moves by 7018km every six months - instead of 300 000 000 km. This means that the stars are more than 42600X closer than currently believed - a notion that Tycho Brahe would undoubtedly have welcomed and supported. In any case, the notion that many stars (visible to our naked eyes) would be located several thousands light years away has to rank among the most bizarre ideas entertained by this world’s scientific community.
As for the “Olber’s paradox”, the TYCHOS model does away with it quite naturally (since there never even was any such paradox!)… See, since heliocentrists believe that stars as distant as, say, “3000 light years” can still be visible to our naked eyes, there should be untold trillions of stars within reach of our unaided eyes (and they thus figure that it is “paradoxical” that our night skies are dark…) In the TYCHOS, however, the stars are 42633 times closer than currently thought - and those located beyond a certain distance (say, no more than 100 AU or so) are simply invisible to us. In fact, only a few thousand stars are visible to the naked eye:
"You may be surprised to learn how low the number of naked-eye visible stars is. Spoiler alert: the most stars you’ll see with the unaided eye is between 2,600 and 4,500 depending on where you are, local conditions and the quality of your vision " .HOW MANY STARS ARE THERE?
Thanks for the reply, looking forward to the improved model. It was great to discover your guys’ work around the time of the Jupiter/Venus/Moon conjunction, March 22-25, as it helped explain the conjunction seen around the world, mostly northern hemisphere I’m guessing? Interesting analogy of a wet tennis ball - the proportion of water to total earth size/mass does seem very crucial not to mention the orbital speed.
Simon,
Thanks for referencing this for me, your book contains a lot of information.
Forgive me if this is mentioned in the book too, but I’m curious the “periodicity” of various conjunctions of planets. Patrik, that could be a neat tool too, like a table which allows the user to input any variety of conjunctions and see when the “next” conjunction of a given combination of planets would be and whether it would be visible on northern or southern hemisphere. Just my thoughts!
Another problem I’ve had with heliocentrism is whether or not we really return to the same place in space each year. The PVP orbit states we are not in the same location year after year. I went to 2500 BC in the Tychosium, about the time the Giza Pyramids are thought to have been built. It is said that Thuban was the north star then. Sure enough the pole aligns with Thuban. Do you have any thoughts about a “procession” or “cycle” of northern and southern pole stars? The sky appears without a primary north star from about 11,000 BC, when Vega “drifts” left, to about 3,000 BC, when Thuban arrives. Given the time you spent researching, what did you find in the area of periods in antiquity or before when earth had no obvious north star? Are there western or eastern stars that have been used for navigation, etc., like we’ve been told the north star was? It seems your guys’ work proves Heraclitus right: one never steps in the same river twice. Sorry to ramble, great work, thanks for replying.
Thank you for the encouragement. It really means a lot. This type of programming is really a challenge for me but I’ve done so much progress with it during the six years I’ve been assisting Simon and as a bonus I understand the Tychos model very well now.
Yes the Polestar shifts and this is the reason that Simon’s discovery, which I seriously call the most significant astronomical discovery in 400 years, is named the PVP-orbit which stands for Polaris Vega Polaris. Earth, which together with the Moon, forms the center of our system moves at about 1 mph around the PVP-orbit which makes our pole stars shift slowly.
Actually, there have been several other ‘primary north stars’ over the ages - for a full list go to Wikipedia’s Pole Star entry.
Please know that the Tychosium currently only has a most provisional and incomplete ‘star sphere’ - so do not expect to find all those former north stars in the TS simulator just yet. Patrik is working on it though - but remember, he’s only one (overworked) programmer, so give him time !
Thank you. Yes to get a clue on 3d programming which I’ve not done much before has of course been a struggle and then there’s the thing with transforming XYZ coordinates into Declination, Right Ascension and Elongations relative to the slightly moving Earth. Another struggle was to make a perpetual calendar that’s correct. Built in date functions in JavaScript and other programming languages don’t work with dates hundreds or thousands of years in the past or future.
But the motion in Tychosium is actually very simple. Especially compared to other planetariums like Stellarium and JS Orrery. Only constant speeds and circles but no epicycles and only a few deferents. And with this simple configuration Simon has been able to create the most observationally correct model ever devised.
I made the below graphic in response to the most frequently-asked sort of questions I’m getting these days regarding the TYCHOS model, namely:
"What does the Earth revolve around? What exactly is at the center of its PVP orbit? Is the Earth just revolving around a random / arbitrary point in space? "
The answer to that last question is “no”; as you can see in my new graphic, the ‘secular center’ of our Solar System is constantly visited by none other than Mars - the Sun’s binary companion.
(double-click on image to enlarge it)
It is important to realize that the above graphic was put together by simply superimposing 4 screenshots from the Tychosium simulator, each of them separated by 6336 years - for a total of 25344 years (my proposed duration of a “Great Year”). No modifications or adjustments were made to ‘embellish’ the diagram - what you see is what the Tychosium actually traces (as can be verified by anyone familiar with the Tychosium’s functions). Note also the stunning fact that even the eccentric orbits of Venus and Mercury (which of course constantly oscillate back and forth) appear to return every 6336 years (or 1/4 of a Great Year) in similar positions with respect to the Sun.
So, what to make of all this? And how should we put in words an answer to the recurring question : “What does the Earth revolve around?” Suggestions from this forum’s members are welcome!
One may perhaps say that the orbit of Mars plays a kind of “pivotal / barycentric role” of our entire system - although it may not be a satisfactory answer for those enamored with Newton’s ‘universal laws of gravitation’… Be it as it may, I have made this other version of the new graphic which includes an insert (at bottom left) showing how Mars does indeed regularly transit at 56.6 Mkm from Earth, i.e. ‘smack in the middle’ of my proposed PVP orbit (as thoroughly put to the test - in every imaginable way - in the upcoming 2nd Edition of my Tychos book )
Again, suggestions are welcome as to how one might best describe & caption this new graphic which I probably won’t resist including in my new book… In fact, one of the main purposes of this forum is to have people participating and helping out presenting the TYCHOS model to the world in the most articulate and compelling manner. Here’s your chance to be part of the impending / inevitable “Tychosian revolution”
Excellent illustrations. From the very beginning of looking into the TYCHOS the term barycenter has been one I had to learn the meaning of. I have no problem with calling it the Barycenter, but i have also been calling it the Centroid. which is not quite the exact right term but i like that it is a shorter word with a meaning that is self evident. Plus the added fact that it is similar to hemorrhoid.
